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	<title>Comments on: Back at the top table, and a faint glimmer of light&#8230;?</title>
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		<title>By: Matthew Gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Gilbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 22:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matthew Gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Gilbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 22:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay! New Facebook group creatd, we&#039;ll see if it somewhere people want to meet on big nights like tomorrow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay! New Facebook group creatd, we&#8217;ll see if it somewhere people want to meet on big nights like tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: hastaelgolsiempre</title>
		<link>http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2008/05/28/back-at-the-top-table-and-a-faint-glimmer-of-light/#comment-1772</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 22:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Feel free to create a HEGS Facebook group if you like, Matthew, I&#039;d be most flattered. I did actually have one a while ago but I canned it because I didn&#039;t use Facebook for about four months and thus it never got updated. Fangroups are always welcome, though!

And Seba, thanks for the clarification!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feel free to create a HEGS Facebook group if you like, Matthew, I&#8217;d be most flattered. I did actually have one a while ago but I canned it because I didn&#8217;t use Facebook for about four months and thus it never got updated. Fangroups are always welcome, though!</p>
<p>And Seba, thanks for the clarification!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Gilbert</title>
		<link>http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2008/05/28/back-at-the-top-table-and-a-faint-glimmer-of-light/#comment-1766</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Gilbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 20:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding Gampern&#039;s suggeston for chat during games and people trying to find feeds, if we are all on Facebook, we could set up a HEGS Facebook Group, then all chat using the new Facebook Chat programme, which seems to work quite well. 

Or the other option, during the world cup, a German friend found a chat room about some German pop star who clearly had no fans, as no-one ever went in there. So during Germany v Argentina, about twenty people of different nationalities were on there chatting about the game!

My Facebook profile is at http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=590764550
if anyone wants to chat during the game, just identify yourself as HEGS reader and I&#039;ll add you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Gampern&#8217;s suggeston for chat during games and people trying to find feeds, if we are all on Facebook, we could set up a HEGS Facebook Group, then all chat using the new Facebook Chat programme, which seems to work quite well. </p>
<p>Or the other option, during the world cup, a German friend found a chat room about some German pop star who clearly had no fans, as no-one ever went in there. So during Germany v Argentina, about twenty people of different nationalities were on there chatting about the game!</p>
<p>My Facebook profile is at <a href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=590764550" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=590764550</a><br />
if anyone wants to chat during the game, just identify yourself as HEGS reader and I&#8217;ll add you.</p>
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		<title>By: Seba</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seba]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 14:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam...my bad. Of my last message, only the first para was for you and the rest was intended for my fellow Racing fan, Matthew. Only I forgot to clarify that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam&#8230;my bad. Of my last message, only the first para was for you and the rest was intended for my fellow Racing fan, Matthew. Only I forgot to clarify that.</p>
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		<title>By: hastaelgolsiempre</title>
		<link>http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2008/05/28/back-at-the-top-table-and-a-faint-glimmer-of-light/#comment-1758</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 12:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also Gampern, if a poster includes a link in a comment, it goes into a queue for approval to avoid spamming (which has happened on here in the past from automatically-generated comments which aren&#039;t related to football at all), and since that approving / deleting is done manually by me, you might have a to wait a few hours before your comment shows up, if there&#039;s a link in it.

Yours all went straight into my spam box because you kept trying to re-post, so a friendly piece of advice would be to only post once, because unless I think you&#039;re trying to advertise something without permission, it WILL appear by the end of the day!

I&#039;m more than happy with talking during matches but of course, I can&#039;t start a new article for each game because meaningful news pieces would get pushed way down the front page, and the site&#039;s archive would be full of &#039;discussion&#039; articles. Might I suggest using the weekly &#039;Round x Fixtures&#039; post for this?

Finally, other Argentina sites in English: there are hardly any. That&#039;s the whole reason I set HEGS up, because when I started following the Argentine league... probably six years ago, I spoke no Spanish at all, and found it nearly impossible. Argentinesoccer.com is the &#039;other&#039; main one, and it&#039;s been around for years, but aside from full lists of transfers in and out and more regular updates on the lower leagues (which I only write about now and then because when I do spend ages on a  roundup, they hardly ever get more than a few readers), I don&#039;t think you&#039;ll see too much on there that isn&#039;t covered here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also Gampern, if a poster includes a link in a comment, it goes into a queue for approval to avoid spamming (which has happened on here in the past from automatically-generated comments which aren&#8217;t related to football at all), and since that approving / deleting is done manually by me, you might have a to wait a few hours before your comment shows up, if there&#8217;s a link in it.</p>
<p>Yours all went straight into my spam box because you kept trying to re-post, so a friendly piece of advice would be to only post once, because unless I think you&#8217;re trying to advertise something without permission, it WILL appear by the end of the day!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m more than happy with talking during matches but of course, I can&#8217;t start a new article for each game because meaningful news pieces would get pushed way down the front page, and the site&#8217;s archive would be full of &#8216;discussion&#8217; articles. Might I suggest using the weekly &#8216;Round x Fixtures&#8217; post for this?</p>
<p>Finally, other Argentina sites in English: there are hardly any. That&#8217;s the whole reason I set HEGS up, because when I started following the Argentine league&#8230; probably six years ago, I spoke no Spanish at all, and found it nearly impossible. Argentinesoccer.com is the &#8216;other&#8217; main one, and it&#8217;s been around for years, but aside from full lists of transfers in and out and more regular updates on the lower leagues (which I only write about now and then because when I do spend ages on a  roundup, they hardly ever get more than a few readers), I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ll see too much on there that isn&#8217;t covered here.</p>
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		<title>By: hastaelgolsiempre</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 12:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seba, I know how the streaming works but thanks anyway. I&#039;ve been watching like this for a good couple of years now so I know it&#039;s a matter of patience!

Gampern, if two sides finish on the same Promedio, a one-off playoff game will be used to separate them before the Promoción begins (same as if the two sides at the top finish on the same number of points at the end of the campaign - currently a distinct possibility).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seba, I know how the streaming works but thanks anyway. I&#8217;ve been watching like this for a good couple of years now so I know it&#8217;s a matter of patience!</p>
<p>Gampern, if two sides finish on the same Promedio, a one-off playoff game will be used to separate them before the Promoción begins (same as if the two sides at the top finish on the same number of points at the end of the campaign &#8211; currently a distinct possibility).</p>
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		<title>By: Gampern</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 03:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, thanks Matthew, thought there&#039;s maybe a special rivalry between these two or something happened in the past.

Anyway, what will be the decider, if the 16. and 17. (or + even the 15.) have the same promedio?

Digital+? Oh, you lucky one. I would love to have it too, but as Austrian in the European Union, with it&#039;s free movement of goods and services, i&#039;m officially not allowed to watch spanisch TV. Pah!

As I&#039;m not speaking spanish I&#039;m relying on such great sites (especially also the comments!), so maybe I can give a little bit back: Seba already mentioned one of the best pages for southamerican football streams, http://rojadirecta.com
If there&#039;s no link for a game, have a look in their Programación Forum. Was not only once, that someone put up a stream at short notice and proclaimed it there.
You don&#039;t really need to download and install a lot of software, I think you just need the standard Win Media Player. There are usually a lot of streams via www.justin.tv
Recently PSN worked fantastic for me (http://www.justin.tv/psn_1) 
Just give it a try at the weekend, most of this justin.tv streams loading really quickly.
I just found this site last weekend, but didn&#039;t have the time to have a closer look on it. But had booth Sunday evening games in comparatively good quality: http://futbolenvivoyparatodos.blogspot.com/

Hope this helps a little bit.

Hm, btw. couldn&#039;t we have a little chat on here, for example if someone has problems with finding a working stream or for some trash talk during a game? Sam? Hehe! Sorry if it is a stupid suggestion.

Well and finally, could someone please name some other english sites about argentinian league football (I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any useful in german) which could be interesting for me? Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, thanks Matthew, thought there&#8217;s maybe a special rivalry between these two or something happened in the past.</p>
<p>Anyway, what will be the decider, if the 16. and 17. (or + even the 15.) have the same promedio?</p>
<p>Digital+? Oh, you lucky one. I would love to have it too, but as Austrian in the European Union, with it&#8217;s free movement of goods and services, i&#8217;m officially not allowed to watch spanisch TV. Pah!</p>
<p>As I&#8217;m not speaking spanish I&#8217;m relying on such great sites (especially also the comments!), so maybe I can give a little bit back: Seba already mentioned one of the best pages for southamerican football streams, <a href="http://rojadirecta.com" rel="nofollow">http://rojadirecta.com</a><br />
If there&#8217;s no link for a game, have a look in their Programación Forum. Was not only once, that someone put up a stream at short notice and proclaimed it there.<br />
You don&#8217;t really need to download and install a lot of software, I think you just need the standard Win Media Player. There are usually a lot of streams via <a href="http://www.justin.tv" rel="nofollow">http://www.justin.tv</a><br />
Recently PSN worked fantastic for me (<a href="http://www.justin.tv/psn_1" rel="nofollow">http://www.justin.tv/psn_1</a>)<br />
Just give it a try at the weekend, most of this justin.tv streams loading really quickly.<br />
I just found this site last weekend, but didn&#8217;t have the time to have a closer look on it. But had booth Sunday evening games in comparatively good quality: <a href="http://futbolenvivoyparatodos.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://futbolenvivoyparatodos.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>Hope this helps a little bit.</p>
<p>Hm, btw. couldn&#8217;t we have a little chat on here, for example if someone has problems with finding a working stream or for some trash talk during a game? Sam? Hehe! Sorry if it is a stupid suggestion.</p>
<p>Well and finally, could someone please name some other english sites about argentinian league football (I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any useful in german) which could be interesting for me? Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Seba</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seba]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 02:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry to disappoint you there, Sam, but the whole crowd reaction broadcast is another thing we imported from Italy. We do it better, that&#039;s a fact. But the idea comes from Italy. 

You&#039;ll see that there&#039;ll be a lot of MediaPlayer links and those are usually crap. If you see that there is a channel broadcasting on SopCast or TVU or PPStream or TVAnts, then you stand a chance. 

Be patient and keep trying. And don&#039;t rule out those MediaPlayer links because you could get lucky. I remember being able to watch Racing v. Banfield with very little delay and great quality in one of those.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to disappoint you there, Sam, but the whole crowd reaction broadcast is another thing we imported from Italy. We do it better, that&#8217;s a fact. But the idea comes from Italy. </p>
<p>You&#8217;ll see that there&#8217;ll be a lot of MediaPlayer links and those are usually crap. If you see that there is a channel broadcasting on SopCast or TVU or PPStream or TVAnts, then you stand a chance. </p>
<p>Be patient and keep trying. And don&#8217;t rule out those MediaPlayer links because you could get lucky. I remember being able to watch Racing v. Banfield with very little delay and great quality in one of those.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Gilbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 00:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Seba and Sam. Good job I checked, Digital Plus are still advertising the match as Sunday, 3pm, which is also listed on futbolpasion.
I finish work at 5.30pm so I am gonna have to get a bus straight away and switch on the computer before I even get changed! 
I&#039;m nervous already.... :(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Seba and Sam. Good job I checked, Digital Plus are still advertising the match as Sunday, 3pm, which is also listed on futbolpasion.<br />
I finish work at 5.30pm so I am gonna have to get a bus straight away and switch on the computer before I even get changed!<br />
I&#8217;m nervous already&#8230;. :(</p>
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