Comments on: La Boca cerrada

By: Seba

Seba — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:30:21 +0000

Oh…and based on results alone…Fluminense could be better than Boca, but then Fluminense, bottom of the Brazilian league, is worst than all of the Brazilian first division teams.

I’m sure you don’t agree with that.

By: Seba

Seba — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:28:44 +0000

Pinheiro, you have a good fair points there. But I think Renato Gaucho is one of the reasons why Flu got to the Copa Libertadores finals.

Fluminense had a great first round (in fact, they were the best team in the entire Copa) and they deservedly arrived to where they are (even though they were a minute from getting knocked out by Sao Paulo (if Rogerio Zeni didn’t hurry in trying to start a counterattack with Adriano in the last minute, just before Flu’s third goal, then it would have been the tricolor paulista in the semis, instead of Fluminense).

But I’m not taking any credit off of Fluminense.

To say that Flu is better than Boca is to based your thought on results alone (and a lot of people will tell you that you are right and results are the most important thing in football). I’d say Fluminense were more effective and Boca paid a big prize for their mistakes. To me, they are not better than Boca. But those are just opinions.

And how can you say the Copa do Brasil is the most difficult championship in the World? You don’t have to play against the countries top clubs (those who are already qualified to the Copa Libertadores in that period) and you can win it after playing only 8 or 10 games. I like that competition and it’s the closest to the FA Cup we have in South America (because you play teams from the lower leagues as well). But it’s nowhere near to be the toughest in the world.

I mean…Fluminense defeated Figueirense in last year’s final. Name me one Figueirense player in a national team or give me a list of Figueirense’s international or domestic titles. See my point?

Meeeeeeeeeeeeeengo, porra! Vamos LDU! :)

By: Pinheiro

Pinheiro — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 06:07:49 +0000

Well, In Buenos Aires, all Boca’s players had good health all right?! And Flu went there and took good score.
People, remember: Flu is the current Champiom of Brazil’s Cup (The most hard championship of the world), and take off São paulo and Boca. Flu is better than Boca, really. This bad impression you have from Flu, is because Flu have a serious problem: Renato Gaucho (Flu’s coach) put always team in extreme defensive tactic. But the spirit of team (look: Washington, Thiago Neves, Conca, Dodô, Cícero and Júnior César) is Extreme Offensive. It Causes trouble in the Group ( see the game again and you will see it)
“When Flu wins, Flamengo’s Hooligays cries!!lol”
Thanks! ( and sorry for my terrible english)

By: chris leonard

chris leonard — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:05:54 +0000

In addition to Caranta’s physical problems, Riquelme (ill) and Ibarra (playing hurt, no?)’s health problems were also keys. They played well below their normal levels.

Palacio left his best in BsAs.

Palermo played his ass off. He was absent in BsAs.

By: chris leonard

chris leonard — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:51:46 +0000

<> AGREED! That was so wild. Nearly the same thing happened in the first game (except that he saw yellow!) then he scored!

By: justin

justin — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:43:41 +0000

What will the Libertadores final be without Riquelme taking 5 minutes to take a free kick, demanding the wall be moved back 15 yards, getting half the opposition booked, and then putting it over the bar?:)

Regarding Migliore/Caranta, I think the deflected goal was harsh, and it’s hard to say Caranta would have done any better, because Pablito wasn’t really out of position – he was moving across his line with the cross. However, obviously the second goal in the first leg was down to him. I still expected Boca to overcome it, as they did against both Cruziero and Atlas.

By: Johnny

Johnny — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:55:47 +0000

Chris-I agree. The Caranta injury was crucial. Plus, I think that were Caranta to be in goal, Ischia might very well have started Chavez rather than Vargas for more offensive firepower last night from the get go. But hey, if you can’t put the ball in the goal, it doesn’t matter. This has been Boca’s boogeyman all season. Very inconsistent finishing.

By: chris leonard

chris leonard — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:02:49 +0000

To me, losing Caranta to injury is a key to Boca losing the series. Last night, On the Dario Conca goal that deflected off of Ibarra, I have a feeling that Caranta would not have been so far out of position. I know that seems unfair to Migliore but I just have a feeling. Also, Migliore made a huge mistake in BsAs.

My gosh, Boca played so much better than Flu in both games. But Flu got the goals and therefore they deserve to be finalists. (It hurts to admit it.)

By: Johnny

Johnny — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 05:02:13 +0000

Ah well. Congrats to Flu, but in all honesty, and yes I am biased, I think Boca is the better team. I thought they outworked Flu the large part of the match, but as often has been the case, they just could not make the most of so many chances. Not much more to say than that. I didn’t see the match with Mexico. If I could do it all over again, I would have skipped the Flu disaster and seen the Mexico whuppin’.

By: Seba

Seba — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 04:11:29 +0000

I don’t think Boca lacked of huevos.

Fluminense were lucky to find the equalizer very soon after Palermo’s goal and I think Boca did a great job and they played like if they were the home-team and Fluminense were hoofing the ball with still 30 minutes to go (showing their respect for Boca and some stage-freight at the same time).

I’m pleased I won’t have to stand a sea of bosteros cracking fireworks and talking non-stop about how much bigger than Manchester United, Real Madrid and Inter (all of them put together) they are.

Now I’m off to buy a Liga Deportiva Universitaria de Quito shirt! Come on LDU!