Comments on: All the ups and downs http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2008/07/02/all-the-ups-and-downs/ More fútbol argentino than you can shake a mullet at Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:46:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Seba http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2008/07/02/all-the-ups-and-downs/#comment-2142 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:52:48 +0000 http://hastalogolsiempre.wordpress.com/?p=1356#comment-2142 Hi Sam, it’s only now that I see your last comment.

Mate, I’ve got no idea as to what is the format or the organization in Primera D.

I’m guessing the point is to keep a level of importance to the fight to avoid relegation. I don’t know. I imagine it’d be very dull if there were no relegations.

But again, I have no idea.

]]> By: hastaelgolsiempre http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2008/07/02/all-the-ups-and-downs/#comment-2115 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:32:49 +0000 http://hastalogolsiempre.wordpress.com/?p=1356#comment-2115 And Seba – thanks VERY much for putting the Apertura fixtures up here. It’s genuinely appreciated (you were right, I was in bed asleep when they were published). Now that the fixture list has gone online as a ‘proper’ HEGS story, I’ve deleted your comment here so as to keep the site ‘tidy’, I hope you don’t mind. Unfortunately I can’t find any way of moving your comment about Racing’s fixtures onto the new post.

And yeah, some of this info was hard to find… the AFA site was helpful for most of it but the Argentino B / Torneo del Interior changes took a bit more digging around!

Now, I wonder if Seba (or anyone else ‘on the ground’ in Argentina) can explain what happens to the side who have been ‘de-affiliated’ for a single season from Primera D? From the sounds of it they’ve not been relegated as such, and are guaranteed to go back into the division (I presume certain conditions permitting) next season. So what, I wonder, is the point?

]]> By: hastaelgolsiempre http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2008/07/02/all-the-ups-and-downs/#comment-2114 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:30:14 +0000 http://hastalogolsiempre.wordpress.com/?p=1356#comment-2114 Your last point’s valid, Matthew, but think how much more annoying for Gimnasia La Plata fans. For the last two-and-a-half seasons, they’ve had an artificially heightened sense of security thanks to the second-place finish back in the 2005 Apertura. Starting right now, that no longer counts towards their Promedio, and they’ll go from a fairly comfortable 13th to WAY down the standings…

]]> By: Matthew Gilbert http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2008/07/02/all-the-ups-and-downs/#comment-2112 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:13:55 +0000 http://hastalogolsiempre.wordpress.com/?p=1356#comment-2112 Many thanks for the fixtures. Will many domestic league players be called up for the Olympic squad? I would imagine, for example, River having a few and it would hamper their chances of making a good start.

This also brings me to another problem with re-aliging the calendar to one championship, Feb to December. You could suspend relegation for six months, but that also means you have to suspend promotion… and Olimpo and San Martin wouldn’t be happy at having to wait at least 18 months to get back, rather than 12.

Maybe they would still have promotion of two clubs at the end of the Clausura, play one last Apertura of 22 clubs in the Primera and 18 in Nacional B, and then have two up four down in the first Feb to December championship.

They would have to get rid of ‘promedios’ because they would make even less sense than they do now – the average of points from the last 3 and a half seasons?!

It’s annoying though that Racing will still be dragged down by all those points lost unfairly in the last six months, and can’t make a completely new start.

]]> By: Seba http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2008/07/02/all-the-ups-and-downs/#comment-2111 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:20:06 +0000 http://hastalogolsiempre.wordpress.com/?p=1356#comment-2111 I’ll always have enough room for 6 irish borrachos (in my heart!) hahaha!

Didn’t know you were from Ireland. Did you see this?

It’s an article I posted on my blog with a link to an excellent research on the influence the Irish had in sports in Argentina done by one of Mundo Albiceleste’s readers.

http://mundoalbiceleste.blogspot.com/2008/04/green-albicelestes.html

]]> By: murt http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2008/07/02/all-the-ups-and-downs/#comment-2109 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:59:24 +0000 http://hastalogolsiempre.wordpress.com/?p=1356#comment-2109 thanks very much mate. I dont suppose you have enough room for 6 irish borrachos for a few weeks!!! only jokin if i can think of anything ill let you know. cheers.

]]> By: Seba http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2008/07/02/all-the-ups-and-downs/#comment-2107 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:55:58 +0000 http://hastalogolsiempre.wordpress.com/?p=1356#comment-2107 Murt….I got the fixtures from Ole’s website and they put only one day for each week (even though there are matches on Friday, Saturday and Sunday). But those dates up there are all Sundays, so you can pretty much confirm that River v Boca will play October 19.

Good luck on planning your trip and let me know if I can be of any help (have in mind that I won’t be in Buenos Aires from July 16 until September 18, but anything you need to ask, feel free!).

]]> By: murt http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2008/07/02/all-the-ups-and-downs/#comment-2102 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:05:00 +0000 http://hastalogolsiempre.wordpress.com/?p=1356#comment-2102 Argentina here we come

]]> By: murt http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2008/07/02/all-the-ups-and-downs/#comment-2101 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:14:53 +0000 http://hastalogolsiempre.wordpress.com/?p=1356#comment-2101 is that definitely the correct date for river boca??

]]> By: Seba http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2008/07/02/all-the-ups-and-downs/#comment-2099 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 04:04:16 +0000 http://hastalogolsiempre.wordpress.com/?p=1356#comment-2099 For my fellow Racing fans. Here’s a look at our fixtures for the Apertura and some bullet points:

- We’ve got River and Boca AWAY.
- We’ve got Independiente and San Lorenzo at HOME.
- Three trips to the “interior”: the new boys Godoy Cruz in Mendoza and San Martín in Tucumán and Newell’s in Rosario.
- A tricky pair of fixtures in weeks 7 and 8 (home to Estudiantes and away to River)
- Two consecutive home matches against potential relegation rivals: Colón and Gimnasia de La Plata (weeks 15 and 16 -it’ll be tough if we struggle as we have to visit both of them in the Clausura, so I hope we have a good Apertura and get the hell out of the relegation zone).
- After those two, we visit Boca but then we receive another struggling side in Gimnasia de Jujuy. 9 points out of those three matches before and after Boca are MANDATORY!

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