Comments for Hasta El Gol Siempre http://hastaelgolsiempre.com More fútbol argentino than you can shake a mullet at Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:22:33 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on Promoción 2 2009: Rafaela 3 – 0 Gimnasia LP by Matthew Gilbert http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2009/07/09/promocion-2-2009-rafaela-3-0-gimnasia-lp/#comment-4561 Matthew Gilbert Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:22:33 +0000 http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/?p=3091#comment-4561 Thanks Mike, that's interesting because I always wondered why Colón had such a seemingly strange sponsor as Milkaut a few years ago. Thanks Mike, that’s interesting because I always wondered why Colón had such a seemingly strange sponsor as Milkaut a few years ago.

]]> Comment on Promoción 2 2009: Rafaela 3 – 0 Gimnasia LP by hastaelgolsiempre http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2009/07/09/promocion-2-2009-rafaela-3-0-gimnasia-lp/#comment-4559 hastaelgolsiempre Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:13:15 +0000 http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/?p=3091#comment-4559 Mike, first of all three short tournaments is still one-and-a-half seasons. There are two short tournaments per season, as recognised by the AFA in calling them the 'Apertura' and 'Clausura'. Secondly, and getting on to personal preference, I have to say I'd rather Argentina just scrapped the promedios altogether and had a proper relegation and promotion system. Anything else is plainly designed to protect the big boys - with no disrespect to River or Independiente, why SHOULD River and Independiente be able to say they had more of a chance? Being two of the biggest and most influential clubs in the league should be enough of an advantage as it is. Mike, first of all three short tournaments is still one-and-a-half seasons. There are two short tournaments per season, as recognised by the AFA in calling them the ‘Apertura’ and ‘Clausura’.

Secondly, and getting on to personal preference, I have to say I’d rather Argentina just scrapped the promedios altogether and had a proper relegation and promotion system. Anything else is plainly designed to protect the big boys – with no disrespect to River or Independiente, why SHOULD River and Independiente be able to say they had more of a chance? Being two of the biggest and most influential clubs in the league should be enough of an advantage as it is.

]]> Comment on Promoción 2 2009: Gimnasia LP 3 – 0 Rafaela by Hortrip22 http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2009/07/12/promocion-2-2009-gimnasia-lp-3-0-rafaela/#comment-4558 Hortrip22 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:48:37 +0000 http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/?p=3095#comment-4558 I was in this match, no words possible. Came man! El Lobo is waiting for real people to enjoy the real "barrio" football. Unique. Here a short video of this match. Viva EL LOBO! I was in this match, no words possible. Came man! El Lobo is waiting for real people to enjoy the real “barrio” football. Unique.
Here a short video of this match. Viva EL LOBO!

]]> Comment on Promoción 2 2009: Rafaela 3 – 0 Gimnasia LP by mike http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2009/07/09/promocion-2-2009-rafaela-3-0-gimnasia-lp/#comment-4557 mike Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:07:17 +0000 http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/?p=3091#comment-4557 Brain is very tired, wrote all of that out without proper logic, who on earth would agree to a 1 year and a half relegation system, guarantee a year of play but drop em mid season the next !! ROTFL!!! Ok, revised concept. 2 years to accumulate points. then compare. If a team hasnt played enough for 2 years worth drop the next lowest who have. It would still save river but still drop teams that go nowhere year in year out, Arsenal de Sarandi and Banfield, recycling them with two newer teams that surprise about as often as older teams used to, Godoy Cruz and San Martin de Tucuman. And other 2 newly promoted teams get a chance to show their stuff for 2 years, after the cycle repeats, every year the teams that dont do anything get recycled by Atletico Tucuman and Chacarita. 2 other Nacional B sides get thier chance and so on. Everything being done in twos, it will work! really! if river doesnt recover then they are gone next year, same with independiente. and they wont be able to say they didnt have a chance. Thats a relegation id stand by. if you had a bad year you can recover. so grondona still has his big teams not losing the sponsorship monies, but if they suck for too long they they really shouldnt be in primera. so it's easier to relegate those big 5 . Pull of a season like racing did this year, and they are still up, up in fact near the top of this new relegation standard. boca drops lower, and quicker in the standings. It's perfect balance of the wishes of small teams and big 5. Brain is very tired, wrote all of that out without proper logic, who on earth would agree to a 1 year and a half relegation system, guarantee a year of play but drop em mid season the next !! ROTFL!!!
Ok, revised concept. 2 years to accumulate points. then compare. If a team hasnt played enough for 2 years worth drop the next lowest who have. It would still save river but still drop teams that go nowhere year in year out, Arsenal de Sarandi and Banfield, recycling them with two newer teams that surprise about as often as older teams used to, Godoy Cruz and San Martin de Tucuman. And other 2 newly promoted teams get a chance to show their stuff for 2 years, after the cycle repeats, every year the teams that dont do anything get recycled by Atletico Tucuman and Chacarita. 2 other Nacional B sides get thier chance and so on.

Everything being done in twos, it will work! really! if river doesnt recover then they are gone next year, same with independiente. and they wont be able to say they didnt have a chance.

Thats a relegation id stand by. if you had a bad year you can recover. so grondona still has his big teams not losing the sponsorship monies, but if they suck for too long they they really shouldnt be in primera. so it’s easier to relegate those big 5 . Pull of a season like racing did this year, and they are still up, up in fact near the top of this new relegation standard. boca drops lower, and quicker in the standings. It’s perfect balance of the wishes of small teams and big 5.

]]> Comment on Promoción 2 2009: Rafaela 3 – 0 Gimnasia LP by mike http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2009/07/09/promocion-2-2009-rafaela-3-0-gimnasia-lp/#comment-4556 mike Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:46:02 +0000 http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/?p=3091#comment-4556 About promedios, I would like to make it even more complicated. See I like the underlying idea of the promedios: The retention of teams which can preform well over a period of time. But 3 years for established teams and do or die for newly promoted teams isnt fair. how about 3 seasons instead? And add a safety net for new teams so they can have the chance to accumulate 3 seasons (1 year 6 months) worth of results by which they can be fairly compared to the established teams? Keep the torneos short and kill the playoff. straight in/out. Should add plenty of color to each season. AHA! Dumb idea no? About promedios, I would like to make it even more complicated. See I like the underlying idea of the promedios: The retention of teams which can preform well over a period of time. But 3 years for established teams and do or die for newly promoted teams isnt fair. how about 3 seasons instead? And add a safety net for new teams so they can have the chance to accumulate 3 seasons (1 year 6 months) worth of results by which they can be fairly compared to the established teams? Keep the torneos short and kill the playoff. straight in/out. Should add plenty of color to each season.

AHA! Dumb idea no?

]]> Comment on Promoción 2 2009: Rafaela 3 – 0 Gimnasia LP by mike http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2009/07/09/promocion-2-2009-rafaela-3-0-gimnasia-lp/#comment-4555 mike Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:46:06 +0000 http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/?p=3091#comment-4555 make that HQ's "near" Rafaela (SanCor HQ is in Sunchales, La Serenisima has a major hub in Santa Fe but HQ in BSAS)... after looking into it, it's another pair of companies based in Rafaela, the canadian multinational Saputo (La Paulina/Molfino brands) and Ilolay make that HQ’s “near” Rafaela (SanCor HQ is in Sunchales, La Serenisima has a major hub in Santa Fe but HQ in BSAS)…
after looking into it, it’s another pair of companies based in Rafaela, the canadian multinational Saputo (La Paulina/Molfino brands) and Ilolay

]]> Comment on Promoción 2 2009: Rafaela 3 – 0 Gimnasia LP by mike http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2009/07/09/promocion-2-2009-rafaela-3-0-gimnasia-lp/#comment-4554 mike Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:39:51 +0000 http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/?p=3091#comment-4554 La Crema nickname is mostly because in Santa Fe, the main industry is Diary, with all of the largest milk corporations, La Serenisima and SanCor having HQ's there in Rafaela, it is the 3rd largest city of Santa Fe. SanCor is the sponsor of Atl Rafaela and have been for quite awhile http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuenca_lechera La Crema nickname is mostly because in Santa Fe, the main industry is Diary, with all of the largest milk corporations, La Serenisima and SanCor having HQ’s there in Rafaela, it is the 3rd largest city of Santa Fe. SanCor is the sponsor of Atl Rafaela and have been for quite awhile
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuenca_lechera

]]> Comment on Promoción 2 2009: Rafaela 3 – 0 Gimnasia LP by Seba http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2009/07/09/promocion-2-2009-rafaela-3-0-gimnasia-lp/#comment-4553 Seba Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:32:09 +0000 http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/?p=3091#comment-4553 First of all, I'm not against the promoción. I'm against the promedios. Which is a different thing. I would keep the promoción, but I'd make the third and fourth best teams from the current season to play it (not the third and fourth worst promedio from the previous 114 matches! That's bollocks!). Gimnasia finished 9th if you combine the Apertura and the Clausura. How is that fair on the current manager and players? Anyway...I think Gimnasia fans deserve to stay up because they always bring numerous traveling supporters to any stadium, but especially because they ALWAYS support the team. Through THIN AND THIN! Come to think of this...their neighbours keep winning things and keep playing international matches. Can you imagine those Gimnasia fans having to put up with Estudiantes fans as they got relegated and their rivals won the Copa Libertadores on Wednesday (two very probable scenarios until the 90th minute of Today's game!). Now they can watch that match between Estudiantes and Cruzeiro with nothing to be worried about. No pressures. They've earned it. And I'm happy for them. First of all, I’m not against the promoción. I’m against the promedios. Which is a different thing.

I would keep the promoción, but I’d make the third and fourth best teams from the current season to play it (not the third and fourth worst promedio from the previous 114 matches! That’s bollocks!).

Gimnasia finished 9th if you combine the Apertura and the Clausura. How is that fair on the current manager and players?

Anyway…I think Gimnasia fans deserve to stay up because they always bring numerous traveling supporters to any stadium, but especially because they ALWAYS support the team. Through THIN AND THIN!

Come to think of this…their neighbours keep winning things and keep playing international matches. Can you imagine those Gimnasia fans having to put up with Estudiantes fans as they got relegated and their rivals won the Copa Libertadores on Wednesday (two very probable scenarios until the 90th minute of Today’s game!).

Now they can watch that match between Estudiantes and Cruzeiro with nothing to be worried about. No pressures.

They’ve earned it. And I’m happy for them.

]]> Comment on Promoción 2 2009: Rafaela 3 – 0 Gimnasia LP by Matthew Gilbert http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2009/07/09/promocion-2-2009-rafaela-3-0-gimnasia-lp/#comment-4552 Matthew Gilbert Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:32:46 +0000 http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/?p=3091#comment-4552 Us football fans are the most hypocritical people of all ha ha!! Of course I enjoyed the ending, and if in 12 months, Independiente are in one of these play-offs and look like losing to Unión Santa Fe or someone, I'll be on here saying 'these play-offs are great, I'm glad AFA have them!' :-) I'll say the fans deserve to stay up because they stay loyal to the side through all the disappointments - and there have been many for Gimnasia, 95, 96, 05, they should have three stars on their shirts and have none. I remember 15 years ago when they lost to Independiente and the sad faces of the fans that night, I hope some of those people I saw then were enjoying it tonight. AND it's good for Argentine football. Rafaela would have lost game after game and be relegated by Easter. Gimnasia have long been able to tilt at the biggest clubs, they have a great recent record against Independiente, have won in the Monumental and Bombonera recently, (Bombonera 3 weeks ago lol), and could you ever imagine Rafaela going there and winning 6-0 like the great 1996 side did? Us football fans are the most hypocritical people of all ha ha!!
Of course I enjoyed the ending, and if in 12 months, Independiente are in one of these play-offs and look like losing to Unión Santa Fe or someone, I’ll be on here saying ‘these play-offs are great, I’m glad AFA have them!’ :-)

I’ll say the fans deserve to stay up because they stay loyal to the side through all the disappointments – and there have been many for Gimnasia, 95, 96, 05, they should have three stars on their shirts and have none.
I remember 15 years ago when they lost to Independiente and the sad faces of the fans that night, I hope some of those people I saw then were enjoying it tonight.
AND it’s good for Argentine football. Rafaela would have lost game after game and be relegated by Easter. Gimnasia have long been able to tilt at the biggest clubs, they have a great recent record against Independiente, have won in the Monumental and Bombonera recently, (Bombonera 3 weeks ago lol), and could you ever imagine Rafaela going there and winning 6-0 like the great 1996 side did?

]]> Comment on Promoción 2 2009: Rafaela 3 – 0 Gimnasia LP by Gampern http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/2009/07/09/promocion-2-2009-rafaela-3-0-gimnasia-lp/#comment-4551 Gampern Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:00:28 +0000 http://hastaelgolsiempre.com/?p=3091#comment-4551 Who said they should scrap these play-offs? Haha! Seba, why do you think the fans deserve to stay up? Who said they should scrap these play-offs? Haha!

Seba, why do you think the fans deserve to stay up?

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